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Digital TV converter coupons in short supply

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U.S. consumers who wait too long to request government coupons to subsidize converter boxes for the digital television transition in February may come up empty-handed, a regulator has warned.

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{"commentId":4563934,"authorDomain":"jpooch00"}

Imagine that! Our government implementing new laws and then not being able to deal with the consequences... Amazing!

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Reply#1 - Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:17 AM EST
{"commentId":4722727,"authorDomain":"smither"}

First, WE THE PEOPLE voted "our government" into office...and did not vote them out for 8 years! We need to pay better attention to all the scapegoating of "tha government!" Some other government better than ours? Name it.

The Bush admin. loved vaneer projects like vouchers for converter boxes so the companies selling them could double the prices, "no child left behind, "airport  security," going after Bin Laden by waging war in Iraq and claiming victory before it was over - that's only a few ... thank the gods he never got school vouchers and getting young adults to accept having their social security put into the stock market!

The voucher for the boxes? "Good Job, Brownie!" Homeland Security must have been involved!

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#1.1 - Thu Jan 8, 2009 6:38 PM EST
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{"commentId":4565111,"authorDomain":"rwcarmichael"}

People who are buying the converter boxes (with or without the coupons) are getting an even greater surprise.  If you don't get a perfect analog TV picture, you won't get any HD picture at all.  The converter box will just say "Weak Signal" or somesuch.  A number of friends in rural areas are already reporting this --- and converter boxes bought with coupons can't be returned.  Also, if you live in a large city and get any ghosting on your analog picture, likewise you won't receive that station on HD.  HD was required to have "anti-ghosting" and the engineering solution was to just not show a picture if ghosting was detected.  And worst of all, stations that depended on transponders to extend their range (such as PBS) are having extreme amounts of trouble getting it to work.  And if you have cable, you're still not safe.  Comcast is shifting to "all-digital" and will require an $8/month box for each analog set connected to cable.

When you take the converter box back, they sell you rabbit ears.  These never work.  When you take them back, they sell you an outdoor antenna (if you are permitted by covenants or law to even have one).  That might work but probably won't.  When you go back, they then sell you a "signal booster" that won't work either.  The total bill can easily run to a thousand dollars and you still don't have a picture at all.

And especially in the current economic recession there are millions of people who cannot afford cable (or cable rate increases for converter box rental), cannot afford satellite TV, and cannot afford HD sets (even if they can receive a signal) because they are watching every penny.  It is these people who depend the most on free off-the-air network TV.

You should watch Hawaii --- they are converting on January 17th.  The uproar there will let you know, in a small way, what will happen here --- and Hawaii doesn't have the distaant rural areas that the rest of the country has. 

People need to be writing and calling their Congressmen to stop this until there is some resolution that does not turn 1/3 of the nation's TV sets black and put millions and millions of toxic TV sets into landfills.   This is one of the most poorly thought out and poorly implemented public policies in the history of Congress.

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Reply#2 - Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:05 AM EST
{"commentId":4588047,"authorDomain":"lewis57"}

I do not know where you live, but in Oklahoma I have set up boxes that were 40 miles from the transmitters that picked up all available channels. One had an attic antenna, and  the other used simple rabbit ears.

The footprint (area of coverage) of DTV and analog are virtually the same. I know this because I am sitting in a TV Master Control room, and I am looking at both maps.

It's true, people using antennas in  the fringe areas of coverage will have to upgrade, but the cost is far from what is described. A good long range roof or attic antenna does not run much more than $100, and a good signal booster averages around $60.

Do your research before buying a converter box. There are some that work better than others, and have more features.

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    #2.1 - Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:28 PM EST
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    {"commentId":4569625,"authorDomain":"ademocratinarepublicansmind"}

    why doesn't the government just print more coupons?  that's what it does when it needs more money.

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      Reply#3 - Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:48 PM EST
      {"commentId":4574774,"authorDomain":"rwcarmichael"}

      They're actually plastic debit cards similar to gift cards.  And the government put a 60-day expiration on them and you can only get two per household.  Most of the cards were sent out well before the converter boxes and expired without being used.  And because the cards are like gift cards, all sales are final, so if a converter bot was actually bought and it didn't give you a usable picture, then you cannot return or exchange it.  So you have lots of people with useless cards and/or useless converter boxes.  Printing more coupons would only make the situation worse.  Undoubtedly the government will do what it always does in such cases --- it will say "its all your fault" to the American public and walk away from the problem.

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      Reply#4 - Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:26 AM EST
      {"commentId":4577361,"authorDomain":"michelewelch"}

      by the time you get the coupon you have a week before it expires, the fun part is finding the boxes before the coupon expires. and you cannot get another coupon. i had this problem i live in the city, 12 walmart stores have none and radio shack had 2 high dollar ones, lol, our government, is great isnt it?

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        Reply#5 - Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:51 PM EST
        {"commentId":4588077,"authorDomain":"lewis57"}

        Best buy carries the Insignia and Tivac brands I do believe. Both are very nice converter boxes, and Best Buy supports the coupons.

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          #5.1 - Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:30 PM EST
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          {"commentId":4662317,"authorDomain":"macland"}

          I applied for  a converter box coupon early in the year based on the promotion that there was a limited number of coupons avaiable.  I then had 90 days to redeem them.  It was very dificult to purchase the boxes as the stores did not carry more than 3 at a time and was not taking reservations so I had to go to the store twice a week for several weeks before getting mine. I tried them out and found the reception was very bad.  The picture freezes often.There is a substantial pixilation and the sound is bad.  I call several places and emailed several locations.  The only answer is "You need to buy an antenna."  Now I hear that I need to buy a "pass through box"  What do I do with the boxes I have already purchased?  What else do I need "TO BUY"?

          Is anyone else getting this run around?

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          Reply#6 - Sun Jan 4, 2009 6:14 PM EST
          {"commentId":4732951,"authorDomain":"alison-harrington"}

          I think that when they implemented the coupons there should have been a requirement on how much money you make.  This should be focused on the needy and not just anyone who wants one. Unfortunately, this would have put an overhead on the process since the person's income would have need to be validated.

          This may not be an issue (analysis would have to be done), but to avoid coupons going out to people who really don't need them, it should have been implemented.  Unfortunately if people see that things are free they are more willing to get it that way then spend their own money.

          I also think if the conversion is postponed that when the next deadline comes up they will still be basically in the same situation.  It will cost companies major money to postpone their plans to use the freed up airspace.  It will also hinder the emergency services from being able to use the space.. This would have far reaching consequences than someone being without TV until they can get a coupon.

          It seems to me that our country is in a Panic Mode, and the news media is not helping. I think if they keep on the path they set,with some adjustments, that all will work out. Coupons will expire and come more available and those who end up without a TV signal that really can afford a box will break down and buy one.  Then it will leave the people who really cant afford one.

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            Reply#7 - Fri Jan 9, 2009 12:16 PM EST
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